[Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

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TheMechanist
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[Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby TheMechanist » Tue 11 Apr, 2017 8:36 am

Hi all,

to push attention for this excellent emulator I guess it would be helpful, if there were builds for linux available. Many people using linux like me are not used to compile sources from scratch and avoid projects without ready-to-use builds ..

To have a ppa (https://launchpad.net/) for ubuntu based distros or deb packages for debian based distros would be a great step for a bigger user base ..

The building process using launchpad seems to be automated

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish ... -apps/ppa/

Greetz

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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby rliegh » Tue 11 Apr, 2017 4:22 pm

TheMechanist wrote: Many people using linux like me are not used to compile sources from scratch and avoid projects without ready-to-use builds ..

>being a linux user
>being afraid to ./configure&&make&&make install

Linux has come a long, long way ...in the wrong direction! :o
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby A. Naim » Tue 11 Apr, 2017 11:54 pm

For me, the "./configure, make, make install" isn't a problem; it's the 2-4 other libraries it wants me to install first, and sometimes those libraries want other libraries...

And PCem runs just fine in Windows on VMWare.
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby AmatCoder » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 12:23 am

PCem is not ready for packaging because it searches for bios and other files in its own path (Windows way).

I.e. if packaged, PCem executable would be in /usr/bin and this directory is not writable by other than root.
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby TheMechanist » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 9:03 am

AmatCoder wrote:PCem is not ready for packaging because it searches for bios and other files in its own path (Windows way).

I.e. if packaged, PCem executable would be in /usr/bin and this directory is not writable by other than root.


hm, just a simple (cmd line) config option for include bios pathes, shouldn't be that much work to add ..

A. Naim wrote:For me, the "./configure, make, make install" isn't a problem; it's the 2-4 other libraries it wants me to install first, and sometimes those libraries want other libraries...


That's the point, not only for PCem but for a lot of stuff ! Just check how often even packages in launchpad failed to build for special distributions ..
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby rliegh » Thu 13 Apr, 2017 8:04 am


Ah, and here I thought you were serious. Never mind -carry on.

@A. Naim: As a rule, most projects (eg Qemu) keep a list of libraries (and better ones even suggest an apt-get line) that are required. When that fails, using something like pkgsrc or one of the Linux system (like arch or gentoo) to build an earlier version of the program will usually pull in the dependencies you're looking for. At least it's usually worked for me. Anything that doesn't work for usually ends up being abandoned and (therefor) unsupported (eg tme).

When it comes to the level of computing (emulation, anything involving operating systems or hardware configuration) that we're doing, reading documentation (to find out what libraries are needed, for example), asking proper questions and general problem solving aren't skills that are unreasonable to expect.
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby TheMechanist » Thu 13 Apr, 2017 4:23 pm

rliegh wrote:Ah, and here I thought you were serious. Never mind -carry on.


Sorry, pal, but saying, that Linux made it's way in a wrong direction, 'cause there are people, that don't want to or even can't build packages themselves, is not serious and a typical troll post. If there were only power users linux would have never come that far, or do you think, billions are invested in some nerds that like to build a linux kernel at home ? Without typical users - like me - and millions of man-hours to kick linux to an enduser level, linux would rank at the level of Haiku OS, MenuetOS or Minix ..

rliegh wrote:When it comes to the level of computing (emulation, anything involving operating systems or hardware configuration) that we're doing, reading documentation (to find out what libraries are needed, for example), asking proper questions and general problem solving aren't skills that are unreasonable to expect.


The same level of arrogance - not everybody who wants to use computer emulation is a computer expert in building and designing software. Lots of people use that kind of software for different purposes, e.g. using abandonware, gaming, fun .. and a lot of emulators out there come ready-to-use.

I'm a developer too, but I avoid package building, I want to concentrate on my job - developing my own software. Every minute I have to "read documentation and ask proper questions" is a missed minute for my projects. And as a developer I have the goal, that a lot of people find my software useful - and use it ! So providing prebuild packages is simply in self interest of every developer.

I think that PCem is a great peace of software - the more users, the more developers will join, the better the result will be ...

But if you're that overlord, setting up a ppa shouldn't be too much of a hassle for you ;)
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby rliegh » Thu 13 Apr, 2017 6:44 pm

TheMechanist wrote:Sorry, pal, but saying, that Linux made it's way in a wrong direction, 'cause there are people, that don't want to or even can't build packages themselves, is not serious and a typical troll post.

Only if you're the kind of person who conflates disagreement with trolling, as you appear to be.

All I can say is that a developer would know to use enterprise tools for enterprise projects and to not demand/expect that level of support when it comes to what is a clearly hobbiest project. For enterprise/developer-level emulation there's already xen, qemu and virtualbox as well as others I'm sure I'm forgetting...

I can keep trading barbs all day, but that doesn't do the project a heck of a lot of good. Just lay off the accusations of trolling just because you don't like someone's opinion, k?

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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby TheMechanist » Thu 13 Apr, 2017 6:59 pm

rliegh wrote:Only if you're the kind of person who conflates disagreement with trolling, as you appear to be.

All I can say is that a developer would know to use enterprise tools for enterprise projects and to not demand/expect that level of support when it comes to what is a clearly hobbiest project. For enterprise/developer-level emulation there's already xen, qemu and virtualbox as well as others I'm sure I'm forgetting...

I can keep trading barbs all day, but that doesn't do the project a heck of a lot of good. Just lay off the accusations of trolling just because you don't like someone's opinion, k?

k


Don't see your point .. read the definition of trolling and you will realize, that your "linux post" is exactly that - telling an "opinion" that has simply nothing to do with the thread.

I'm not asking as a "enterprise developer" for "enterprise support" ... please read posts carefully before you answer !

So, I repeat it for the record: I use PCem for fun and suggested to create binary builds for linux, so other people can use PCem for fun too, even without knowledge of building from source

.. not more .. and no, I have no problem with opinions - but with your special attitude, that linux should be reserved for cracks like you wanna be ... but my mistake, I fed the troll ..
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Re: [Request] Ubuntu ppa / linux binaries

Postby SarahWalker » Thu 13 Apr, 2017 7:53 pm

To nip this argument in the bud...

Yes, I'm sure many Linux users would like binaries to be available. However, I feel the Linux port is still sufficiently immature that a source-only distribution is still appropriate. If you're not comfortable with building from source, you're unlikely to be comfortable using Linux PCem in it's current state.

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